No. The iPhone will not support Java applications of any kind. Steve Jobs has been quoted as saying "Java's not worth building in. Nobody uses Java anymore. It's this big heavyweight ball and chain."
We can't disagree with the last part of Jobs' scathing remark, but stating that Java doesn't get used anymore couldn't be farther from the truth - especially in the world of mobile devices.
In any event, the iPhone will not offer Java support.
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That is stupid, java is still widely used, even though java as a whole is complete crap, java is still being used, especially by campus websites as well as many sites that have interactive chat interfaces.
can anyone tell me of a good phone that i could use to acccess a java website?
Since most "java websites" use Java in the backend, this would be any phone with a web browser.
You are stupid, the whole world runs on Java now. I am an expert Java developer, and can tell you that 90% of the companies I know of use Java.
Oh please, this is BS. Java as whole is crap?? What are you on about? There's a lot more to Java than interactive chat sites and applets. Some of us write actual software as opposed to hacking PHP, Flash, or AJAX and between C/C and Java, you'll have a hard time finding someone who'd tell you Java isn't a superior language. Jobs has made some of the biggest mistakes in the history of computing and been able to survive because he's also made some of the biggest innovations. But leaving developers out of the loop of the iPhone will simply mean more and better software on the clones.
It's all about the all mighty dollars Mr. Jobs. The iphone costs $500.00. I won't give you the mula if there is no java on the iphone. It's just that simple!!!
We develop and distribute java-based applications worldwide and have users in over 200 countries. Emerging markets (and consumers worldwide that do not want or can not afford an iPhone) are buying java-enabled mobile phones. The vast majority of growth in mobile sales is coming from these emerging markets. That leaves much smaller prosumer/enterprise market which is then fragmented amoung Blackberry, the multitude of Smartphones (most support java) and now iPhone. I think Steve Jobs comment certainly put him in the minority.
I use logmein.com to take over my pc .. and I am not able to run w/ the iphone. I really hope that they get this figured out.
Just switch in your logmein preferences to use HTML, instead of Java
As innovative as he is, Steve Jobs could not be farther from reality. Java-base applications are now and will continue to be a vital necessity. The iPhone is a great product except for the huge void of java support. Too bad.
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Steve Jobs has to be the stupidest genius to walk on this earth. there is nothing that rules the mobile world like java all mobile phones support java...'It’s this big heavyweight ball and chain' give me a break... the iPhone has 4Gb of space, JavaME2.0 uses like 20Mb at most. Anyways who gives a sh*t. its soo obvious Apple wants people to only use stuff thats on the itunes store... what a greedy company.. i thought microsoft was greedy but Apple just took the ..'apple' (pun intended)
The iPhone is great new device but they need to unlock it's potention by not being greedy and supplying us with the appropriate software.
Steve's disparaging remark about Java is probably better translated as "we tried Java on the iPhone and it ran like crap on this processor, in no small part due to the UI overhead it has to deal with" rather than "Java is crap."
At least that's how I take his remark, as there is no other justifiable reason NOT to have Java on this device... the absence of Java and Flash is just crippling for the stuff I'd like to do on the iPhone that requires me to be able to launch Java appplets - i.e. stuff I need to get work done in internal systems.
I so want the iPhone to be the perfect mobile device for me, but no Java and no Flash make it pretty much no deal.
I've heard Flash is coming... let's hope a Java VM and plugin is at least coming to Safari on the iPhone as well.
I can't believe that we don't have the option of installing it if we should choose...I can't access the full potential of the device....I have wi-fi in my place of work, and it would be really nice to check my work emails, etc, while doing simple things (taking a S@$! for example) however, do to no Java, I can't get past the verification for the wi-fi.. (any ideas)....
I assume that this will be the case with most "free" wi-fi spots as well....
My OWN homepage uses java so I can not view it from my $500 phone......
I have supported desktop computers and currently manage a server farm and there are few things that I hate more than Java. I feel that Java is poorly documented (not a single good source, too much scattered documentation), is a frankenstein type technology, and a dinosaur. I have never been an M$ fan as I am a Mac guy, but I would design systems in .Net over Java any day. I am fine that there is no Java on this phone.
I'm on my iphone right now and I would just like to say that for it to be advertised as the first phone with no watered down view on the Internet I think that withought java it really contradicts that statement and I realy wish that someone finds a way to run java on it.
Managing a farm (even a Server-type one) doesn't qualify you to know Java. I am an expert Java engineer, and have not heard crap like that for a while - "java is poorly documented, dinosaur, frankenstein, etc.". Java is very well documented (if you know how to read Javadoc or a Java book, you'll be fine). Java beats C++ and other older generation languages in both clarity and power while minimizing human error (like C pointer/memory leaks, if you know what I mean). It is not a collection of "body parts" put together to create the monster, like many browser-driven initiatives, but a strongly typed and elegant, very scalable and fast (at current JDK level) technology, used anywhere from smart cards, mobile phones to enterprise "farms". Don't make a fool out of yourself by talking about what you know very little about - seems like your Java knowledge is at a level of running an JDK installer.
This cant get more ridiculous. Not allowing third party(read j2me) apps simply make it useless apple makes good softwares but the more variety of apps we can use the more popular a product is. Time for Mr.Jobs to rethink his strategy.
Update: After receiving access to the iPhone and iPod touch through Apple's SDK, Sun microsystems says it will release a version of Java for the two Apple deviced. The decisions was made just a day Apple announced its SDK plans.
I really hope to see a Java VM on the iPhone. My company develops games for mobile phones and we purposely stayed out of developing for the iPhone because of its low market penetration. By developing in JavaME, we can tarket over 90% of the handsets in the hands of consumers (world-wide). JavaME not only runs on "Java" but also on Symbian OS, Windows Mobile, etc.
From a developers point of view it makes little sense to develop for the iPhone. Within the US, we also do games for BREW so that we can target Verizon (approx. 30% of US Market). With such low market penetration, it makes little sense to spend developer resources porting applications to the iPhone.
Java would change that.
I really hope NOT to see Java on the iPhone!
Games? Most of the people use this as a phone and organizer, not as game console. If I want to play games I'll get dedicated device for it. Also serious game developers would not look into Java, as it is too SLOW for anything.
Java is even slower than .NET, talking of which it is much more organized and easier to develop in to.
So if anything that doesn't run native code, .NET instead of Java, would be better choice for the iPhone, and I believe is coming in form of Silverlight.
I wonder why someone would choose Java for new development, it is only around to support existing systems... Unless someone cleans up Java, I don't see how it is going to survive as one of the major development platforms for much longer.
Oooh... like it seems you've never developed J2EE apps. dot-net basically copied over the same stuff, the only reason .net is faster on Windows systems is because it's integrated to the OS, .net uses MSIL (the MS version for bytecode).
Most apps I know that make my smartphone work are made in Java, and tons of organizer apps are also done in that. So it isn't just the gaming industry thats being left out, dude! Most developers use C/C++ and/or Java for application development, and mobile Java gives the advantage to do Java clients integrating to an existing J2EE application, say, a corporate one? That's what smartphones are SUPPOSED to do, extend your office into your mobile, not just play nice video & mp3's. The iPhone, however, restricts you to that weird ObjC "Smalltalk thinks it is C" concept language which C++ basically took over 20 years ago. And on top of that, the official SDK's crippled on what you can or can't do. Oops!
Make no mistake, the true reason for no Java support on the iPhone is because Java apps can't be tied in to the "iTunes store". Opening up Java support would mean you could circumvent that restriction.
You can't be serious!!!!!
the iPhone does not support Java because it would open the phone to java based viruses. Java is not crap, it is an amazing language that can run on just about any processor platform in existence..